9 responses to 9 false attacks on the 9-9-9 plan
Do you know why candidates for office tend to be reluctant to propose detailed plans? Because they know the plans will be flyspecked and picked apart by just about everyone. Inviting criticism doesn’t help you to get votes.
But fear of criticism prevents you from conceiving solutions to problems. So even if avoidance of criticism helps in propelling you to an election victory, how are you supposed to effectively govern? How are you supposed to fix the problems you told everyone you were going to fix?
That’s why I’m happy to see so much criticism of the 9-9-9 plan I’ve proposed. It shows that people are thinking seriously about a substantive idea. When people stop obsessing over “gaffes” and campaign strategy, and start honing in on fixing the country’s economic problems, we are getting somewhere.
This is not to say, of course, I’m going to leave poorly founded criticisms of the plan unanswered. Certain objections to the plan are circulating in the usual places, driven by the same kind of thinking that has left us with a stagnant economy, $14 trillion in debt and mounting entitlement obligations. These criticisms deserve responses, and here they are:
Claim 1: The 9 percent sales tax, which is one third of the formula, is regressive and hurts the poor, many of whom pay no federal income taxes now. Response: This claim ignores some important aspects of the plan. One is that we eliminate the 15 percent payroll tax, which allows for no deductions at all – not even for charitable contributions. Some critics have argued that the poor still come out behind because employers pay much of the payroll tax. That demonstrates a basic misunderstanding about how compensation works in the business world. An employer decides to accept a certain cost-of-employment for each employee, and the employer’s share of the payroll tax is part of that cost. It comes out of your compensation whether you realize it or not. Also, a flat tax is not – by definition – a regressive tax. Everyone pays the same rate. And it is not an added tax, but a replacement tax, whose total burden is determined by the consumer’s spending decisions.
Finally, the best way to help the poor is by spurring economic growth, which the current tax code will never do, and which the 9-9-9 plan is specifically designed to do.
Claim 2: Creating a new tax is merely setting the stage for higher rates on all taxes, as untrustworthy politicians will surely raise them. Response: First of all, that is not a criticism of the 9-9-9 plan. It is a criticism of politicians. If you don’t want the rates raised, don’t elect politicians who will raise them. Even if we repealed the 16th Amendment and eliminated the income tax, as some demand in return for establishing a consumption tax, politicians could raise that rate too. What’s far more important here is the fact that the very simple, flat-rate structure of the 9-9-9 plan, which allows no deductions, loopholes or exemptions (with the exception of charitable contributions for the income tax), is a far more growth-friendly tax structure than the mangled mess of rates, taxes, exemptions and ill-conceived incentives we have today. It virtually eliminates the massive compliance costs of the current tax code, and it restrains the size of government.
By taking away the politicians’ gateway drug of loopholes and deductions, we make it much more difficult for them to mess with the tax code. Having said that, any plan could be criticized for what it would look like if someone messed it up. The plan as I’m proposing it is a huge improvement over the status quo.
Claim 3: The plan redistributes wealth from the poor to the rich. Response: It does no such thing. It is fair and neutral, taxing everything once and nothing twice. What’s more, we are getting ready to propose empowerment zones for economically struggling areas in which the rates will be even lower. That will allow the poor to benefit even more from the plan than they already would.
Claim 4: The plan should have included a pre-bate to offset the sales tax. Response: The last thing we need is to establish another federal entitlement, which the proposed pre-bate would quickly become. And it’s not necessary. The consumption tax replaces ones already embedded in prices. It’s not the prices that would increase, but the visibility of the taxes being paid. Right now, money is deducted from your paycheck and you never see it, so it doesn’t feel like you paid a tax. But you did. With the 9-9-9 plan, you feel it, and I suspect a good many people who clamor for higher taxes will start to feel differently as a result. But they won’t be paying more than before. They’ll just be more aware of it.
Claim 5: The business tax represents a new tax on labor. Response: Paul Krugman of the New York Times makes this claim because we do not allow businesses to deduct the cost of labor from their taxable revenue. But the claim is bogus for several reasons. First, we are reducing the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 9 percent, so the tradeoff is a much lower rate paid on more of a company’s income. Second, we treat capital and labor the same, both with the corporate tax and with the income tax. That is fair and neutral. What’s more, the current system taxes both capital investment by business and capital gains by individuals. That’s a double tax, and the 9-9-9 plan eliminates it.
Claim 6: The numbers don’t add up. The 9-9-9 tax wouldn’t generate enough revenue. Response: Several groups apparently “ran the numbers” and came to this conclusion, including Bloomberg News and the Center for American Progress. Our report, which they do not appear to have read, demonstrates that it generates the same revenue as the current tax code, and our methodology is visible for anyone to see. Those who are making this claim should release their scoring so their methodology is as visible as ours.
Claim 7: The 9-9-9 plan is a really an 18 percent value-added tax plus a 9 percent income tax. Response: That’s an argument? That some might be able to give it a disagreeable label? What we have done is split the incidence of the tax so it is harder to evade – since you’d have to dodge two taxes, not just one, to save the 18 percent. And by eliminating loopholes we’ve made that virtually impossible to do anyway. I don’t really care what people call it. What matters is how it works.
Claim 8: Some people (like Herman Cain) who may live off capital gains, would pay no income taxes. Is that fair? Response: First, one of the benefits of the 9-9-9 plan is that, even if someone doesn’t pay much or any of one of the taxes, he or she is still likely affected by the other two. More to the point, though, everyone has the same opportunity to work hard, earn capital and put that capital at risk. Whatever I have earned has come from hard work, good decisions (and some bad ones), a willingness to take risks and a constant honing of strategy. Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same thing. I realize many are being told there are no opportunities available to them, but that is not true and I wish people – for their own sakes – would stop listening to such doom and gloom and come to understand all the opportunity that truly exists, and learn how to access it.
Claim 9: It won’t pass. Response: Politicians propose things that can pass. Problem-solvers propose things that can work. One of the worst instincts of Washington types is to judge an idea not on its substantive merits, but on their perception of its political viability. I do not underestimate the challenge of getting any good idea through Congress, but I have said all along that if you propose a good idea, and the people understand the idea, they will pressure Congress to pass it.
So there. I welcome the robust discussion and the many questions that are being raised about the 9-9-9 plan. Asked and answered. What else do you want to know?
© 2011 North Star Writers Group
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Cain’s chief economics adviser is a Cerified Public Accountant that apparently plays Sim City on client’s time. Of course knowing how to cook books for the Koch brothers criminal conspiracy makes a guy a more accomplished economist than Krugman. What a bozo. Cain needs to look up “economist” and bookkeeper, and memorize the difference.
I appreciate Mr. Cain’s responses to common questions about his plan. What I would like to see is a real-life comparison of someone earning $50,000/yr vs. someone earning $1m a year. I think it might help others to see this comparison as well.
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I would like to see a constitutional amendment limiting the numbers to 999. Does 999 equal 18% of the GNP
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April glaspie, you do realize most CFO’s are also certified public accountants, correct? You do realize a CFO is responsible for the financial direction of an entity, correct? I find it refreshing that Cain recognizes this as well. The last thing we need are additional ivy league “economists” advising our leaders. These so called “economists” tend to be the academic types with no real world knowledge of business. Now, get back to your World of Warcraft computer game and leave the fiscal policy to those who actually understand it.
I am disappointed to see that Herman Cain has changed his position on the FairTax. He was a strong supporter of it for many years, and originally 9-9-9 was conceived as a way to transition to the FairTax. But his answer to Claim 4 shows that he no longer supports the FairTax. Why?
If it was only about defeating obama, gringich would do fine…Herman Cain would do that obviously too, but, it’s not just about that… and for all things that’s got to be done, Herman Cain is the Man. Repeal NWO. Repeal OWS. Repeal George Soros. Find out about obama BC. Repeal UN. Repeal EU. GO RIGHT!
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Someone said: “What I would like to see is a real-life comparison of someone earning $50,000/yr vs. someone earning $1m a year.”
One must believe all the conservatives make $1m a year. I see smiley(even after all that’s going thru their country) old ladies holding Tea Party signs.
Do they make a million dollars a year?
Hey Herman Cain you must explain better how the 9% national sales tax fits into price of stuff that’s sold. I have already understood but people seems to have not.
Mr. Cain. I like your explanations and I really like your style of being a straight talker and your ability to stand on principle. Right now, you are my favorite. Keep up the fight! My money is on you and my donation to your campaign was solidified in the last debate. God Bless you! Stay strong and help our nation to get back on track.
Ronald Reagan’s economist likes 9-9-9 and explains why here
Arthur B. Laffer: Cain’s Stimulating ’9-9-9′ Tax Reform
online.wsj.com
How is the 9% sales tax going to work as a federal tax when every city, county, municipality etc in each state (that charges state sales tax) have their own sales tax rates tacked onto the state rate? I think this is a compelling idea, but more of an idea than a plan. It’s not just Congress that would be a tough hurdle on this, it’s all those local entities too!
Won’t the income and corporate tax be turn around as an embedded tax? As a FairTax support I support you and even this 9-9-9 plan if you believe this is the best route. I just wonder how much embedded tax the 18% would be on us consumers.
Hey just to add this one comment, this is all bunch of crap. who gives a rats ass what Cain does in his personal life or on the clients time, thats called a break, as long as he or anyone for that matter takes care of what he is supposed to do and makes that effort to benefit all…other than that, this whole issue is bullshit> There , I never asked to be included but some smart ass friend of mine tagged me, so now you’re it! whats your thought on 9-9-9? Like I care!
This is hogwash. Tell me that food is exempt from this 9% sales tax and I could maybe agree that it’s not a tax on the poor.
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can u. Say Obama four more years
Why has Cain ignored $22 million of FairTax research and, instead has tried to re-write his 9-9-9 plan in only a few weeks/months?
Here in Ohio food at the grocery store is exempt from sales tax. Food in restaurants is not. The tax is a combination of sales taxes resulting in an aggregate rate. Not too tough in sales tax states to add the federal tax although it does add a reporting and submittal burden on businesses including a new requirement in states without sales tax now. Read the Fair Tax books to understand why a consumption tax is the best alternative and certainly better than taxing income.
Elect politicians who won’t raise taxes? That’s your suggestion for keeping the rate at 9%?! Do you know of any politician who declares during his campaign that he’ll raise taxes? Now, on the flipside, do you know of any pols who promised NOT to raise taxes, but did so anyway once in office, betraying those who elected them? Please, don’t insult our intelligence! This is another avenue for the federal government to place a direct tax on citizens, which can & WILL be abused by spending-crazed politicians.
I’ve seen yu say a thousand times (in different phrases each time) that if you arn’t rich, ITS YOUR FAULT. I agree.. Almost…. Are you saying that a child who grows up neglected, hungry, and with a drug addicted single mother has the exact same chance at being successful as a wealthy child who grows up in the suburbs??? The problem is, that to be very successful, your good choices need to start early. If a parent doesn’t tell a first grader how important literacy is, they certainly wont grasp it on their own. Next, the conservatives like to respond to liberals who complain about student loans that no one FORCED them to go to an expensive University. Well don’t you think those people where thinking of how great of a future they would have after graduating from Harvard? No, no one forced them to go there, but they had been force fed the idea that going there would create wealth in their future! I almost garuntee that a Harvard grad looks more appealing to emloyers than a state school grad even with other credentials being equal. So whats to do? I simply can not agree that every person in America has equal opportunities.
9-0/9-9 fixes the regressive nature of the plan. I like the 999 over fair tax, because,each individual tax is low enough to discourage most evasion.
I don’t want to see phase 2 (high consumption tax only). It may be the most effecient, but the rate is high enough to encourage evasion.
“Claim 3: The plan redistributes wealth from the poor to the rich. Response: It does no such thing. It is fair and neutral, taxing everything once and nothing twice.”
But the Tax Policy Center calculates that -”taxes for the wealthy would drop considerably under Cain’s proposal. The Tax Policy Center projects in 2013, the first year the Cain plan could be enacted, 95 percent of people making $1 million or more would get a tax cut that averaged $487,300.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/1026/Which-GOP-flat-tax-plan-is-fairest-of-them-all
So just saying it does no such thing is not an adequate response. When you the cut tax rate on each marginal dollar above deductions, from 35% to 9%, and eliminate the alternative minimum tax, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who’s getting over. Why does Cain want to give millionaires and billionaires $487K tax cuts, and recover the difference from the poor? Does he still deny the obvious?
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This is my 10th opportunity to VOTE, since I was 21 years of age, and I believe you are the first Candidate that can fix what has been done to my Country.
Go President Cain. They will continue to dig for all they can find on you. Weather it is true or not, I really don’t care. What you do when you are Office is ALL that matters to me!
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