Economy grew 3.5 percent in third quarter, but GDP is still less than 4Q 2008

Dan Calabrese

Dan Calabrese

Growth is good. It certainly doesn’t mean every economic problem is solved, but growth is good, and the government reported today that the gross domestic product grew 3.6 percent in the third quarter.

Long ways to go.

Long ways to go.

That’s the first time the economy has grown since the third quarter of 2008 – a fact that will confuse people who read the nonsense in the Associated Press about the recession starting in December 2007.

There’s a necessary reality check when you consider the difference between the growth rate and the actual value of the GDP itself.

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, in 3Q 2008, the total value of the GDP was $14.54 trillion. It’s been declining ever since, so even with the growth in 3Q 2009, it’s only $14.30 trillion. That’s lower than the GDP in 4Q 2008, when everyone viewed the economy as in a freefall.

This is one of the maddening things about the way the mainstream media, especially the AP’s astoundingly incompetent Jeannine Aversa, covers economics. They’ll tell you if the GDP is growing or contracting, but they won’t tell you what it actually is. I’ve used this analogy before, but imagine if you were watching a baseball game and a player came to bat, prompting the announcer to tell you, “His average is up 3 points,” but not telling you what his average actually is.

You’d have no way of knowing if he’s hitting .300 or .200, which is kind of an important detail. The way Aversa and most other economics writers report on the GDP is much the same, which makes it largely useless.

At any rate, no one should scoff at growth. It at least puts us in a better position the overcome the problems that remain – and the problems are many.

For starters, unemployment is now 9.9 percent, and it looks like it’s headed as high as 10.5 percent at some point next year. In addition, the gargantuan deficit of $1.4 trillion – as currently projected – not only increases the nation’s debt load, but has an immediate effect on federal spending because it boosts the amount we need to spend paying interest on the debt.

I’m watching CNN as I write this, and their analyst is offering the usual spin that this is all because of government action – even crediting Cash for Clunkers for bringing about the growth. (If that’s true, which it almost certainly isn’t, the economy is in trouble in the fourth quarter because all Cash for Clunkers did was move up purchases people would have made anyway, while nearly bankrupting a lot of car dealerships.)

Even more alarmingly, banks are still carrying many of the toxic assets that the TARP fund was designed to clear out, because TARP quickly turned into an all-purpose bailout fund, as the Wall Street Journal noted on Monday.

And of course, with unemployment so high, consumers are going to have less discretionary cash to spend, which puts the prospects for sustained recovery on a very shaky footing. Besides, with consumer debt so high, it’s probably not the most rational decision for many consumers to go hog-wild with spending, no matter how much the government may want them to so the GDP numbers will continue rebounding.

To some degree, activity has to snap back just because that’s the natural order of things. All those houses that are sitting around have to sell at some point. Companies who have been holding back on factory orders are going to need some goods, or else they won’t be able to operate anymore. That’s why the economy never freefalls as far or as long as people sometimes think it will.

But we still have huge structural problems in the economy, especially those related to both public and private debt – not to mention long-term, unfunded entitlement obligations – and a one-quarter rebound, while good news, is a pretty tiny step toward the kind of sustained, robust growth that will be necessary to support all these obligations.

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14 Responses to “Economy grew 3.5 percent in third quarter, but GDP is still less than 4Q 2008”

  • measax:

    BS – its up 3.6 compared to the previous quarter and thats all. Its still a negative GDP overall. The real number is hidden. SGS GDP was -5.something % and official was -2.33 compared to -3.8 in Q2. It didn’t shrink as much should be the news. We’re still down. It is like going to the casino every day and one day you loose 50 grand the next 40 grand and saying you made 10… They are twisting the stat to pump the market. -2.33 was as bad as it ever got in the 70s. That should tell you where we are.

  • Bob:

    measax, it is down year over year, and up quarter over quarter. But if you think longer timespans make more sense, then lets go back 5 years. Yep, it is up over the past 5 years as well. Picking one point in history and saying that the GDP is up or down from that ONE point is ridiculous. You are probably just angry because you’ve been drinking the “world is coming to an end” kool-aid.

    When it is all said and done, it makes the most sense to look at quarter over quarter as the most important metric. Imagine you have a good job that allows you to save $2000 a month. You then lose that job, and now instead of adding $2000 a month to savings, you are removing $1500 a month from savings. After 6 months of this, you have decreased your savings by $9000, but you get a new job that pays even better and you are now able to save $2500 a month! But, to you, since your total savings amount is still down, you think you life if bleak and you end it. To me, because I am now saving more monthly than I was before, I know that good times are ahead. That is the difference between looking at year over year and quarter over quarter GDP growth. The economy is growing again, and at a pretty good clip. That is what is important. And not only that, business inventories have fallen by about $200 billion since a year ago, and just stopping that bleed will add another couple % to the GDP number. Businesses have yet to even stop that bleed, so we already know there is still room for GDP to expand in the near future.

  • mike:

    And we’re just supposed to trust these Government “reports”?

    How can they say we’re out of a recession when home foreclosures are surging still (see http://www.foreclosure.com) and auto repossessions are skyrocketing (see http://www.repofinder.com)?

    I’ll trust my magic 8 ball over Government “reports”.

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